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[INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar schkopiteam » 30 Avril 2016, 20:46

Merci d'utiliser ce sujet pour poster des INFORMATIONS concernant la succession de Prince.

Pas d'hypothèses persos, de speculations, pas de réactions etc. qui viendraient noyer toutes informations dans la masse.


Pour discuter sur sa succession:
questions-debats/succession-heritage-prince-t18368.html

Pour discuter de l'hypothétique gestion de The Vault
questions-debats/qui-pour-gerer-the-vault-t18397.html
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Greghost » 30 Avril 2016, 21:44

http://www.public.fr/News/Mort-de-Princ ... ans-980383

La fille de son frère, Duane, pourrait elle aussi hériter.
Gregory looks just like a ghost...
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar PrinceFrance » 01 Mai 2016, 20:08

http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/28/prince-ty ... -commented

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Prince Sister Storms Out of Family Meeting Money Fight Looms
4/28/2016 3:31 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

It didn't take long ... Prince's sister Tyka went ballistic in the first meeting with the singer's siblings and marched out of the room ... and we're told it's already becoming a money squabble.

Sources with first-hand knowledge tell TMZ, the meeting was held Thursday in Minnesota. Tyka, Prince's younger sister, was present, along with brothers Alfred and Omarr.

We're told the meeting was tense, and 2 hours in Alfred expressed his displeasure that he was the only sibling excluded from Prince's memorial service, which Tyka planned. We're told an argument erupted and she stormed out of the room.

We're also told the brothers have a clear impression from the meeting ... Tyka thinks she's entitled to more than them when it comes time to divide Prince's assets. As we reported, under Minnesota law all 6 siblings -- irrespective of whether they're half or full -- share equally, but apparently Tyka doesn't see it that way.

Our sources say after Tyka left, a rep from the bank that was appointed as the administrator took Alfred on a tour of Prince's home and the area where he died "so he could properly grieve."
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar PrinceMarciano » 02 Mai 2016, 15:54

Il y'a au moins 1 point positif a court et moyen terme, c'est l'arrêt de la censure internet jusqu'a nouvel ordre. Et qui donnera de nouveaux ordres ? L'héritier ! Et quand ? D'ici minimum 2 ans ! :)
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar maxfri » 03 Mai 2016, 22:33

non....toutes les derniers vidéos sur youtube ont été supprimées.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Matthieu » 04 Mai 2016, 07:56

maxfri a écrit:non....toutes les derniers vidéos sur youtube ont été supprimées.

Non.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar sim theury » 04 Mai 2016, 11:16

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Bambi91 » 04 Mai 2016, 11:39

sim theury a écrit:http://dailysignal.com/2016/04/29/why-over-half-of-princes-estate-will-go-to-the-government/


Donc avec ce que le Minnesota va toucher, ils peuvent largement redistribuer l'argent pour garder Paisley Park en musée. En espérant que certains politiciens ne se servent pas comme des vautours au passage...

Certes, Minneapolis est pas aussi touristique que certaines villes des Usa mais il y a quant même entre autres le plus gros centre commercial du pays là-bas, ce qui attire beaucoup d'américains.

Au pire, ils érigeront une statue en sa mémoire, ça je pense qu'il ne va pas y échapper! :cote:
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar stf » 04 Mai 2016, 13:07

Salut,

Y a un truc qui m'échappe depuis quelques jours en regardant les actus, si quelqu'un peut m'expliquer je me coucherais moins idiot...

Comment se fait-il qu'il y ait autant de biens appartenant à Prince à vendre alors que ces héritiers ne sont pas désignés ????

Successivement, j'ai vu une maison à Minneapolis, une autre en Espagne ou une à Toronto. Ensuite le blouson de Purple Rain.

Si ces biens lui appartenaient et peuvent être vendus actuellement, qu'est-ce qui empêche de vendre le contenu du Vault ?

Y a sûrement une explication logique mais elle m'échappe alors merci de m'éclairer.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar berny » 04 Mai 2016, 13:32

stf a écrit:Salut,

Y a un truc qui m'échappe depuis quelques jours en regardant les actus, si quelqu'un peut m'expliquer je me coucherais moins idiot...

Comment se fait-il qu'il y ait autant de biens appartenant à Prince à vendre alors que ces héritiers ne sont pas désignés ????

Successivement, j'ai vu une maison à Minneapolis, une autre en Espagne ou une à Toronto. Ensuite le blouson de Purple Rain.

Si ces biens lui appartenaient et peuvent être vendus actuellement, qu'est-ce qui empêche de vendre le contenu du Vault ?

Y a sûrement une explication logique mais elle m'échappe alors merci de m'éclairer.



CONFUSION !!!

Je pense que les médias mélangent tout, sans recherche ni verification…… on est à l'heure du Buzz et du "je raconte n'importe quoi, du moment que ça fait mousser…"
La maison en Espagne je pense qu il s agit de la villa à Marbella, qu'il l'avait laisser à Mayté et qui a été mise en vente depuis longtemps ("Depuis deux ans, le propriétaire actuel – qui avait racheté la maison à Prince en 2006 – essaie de s'en débarrasser.")

Le blouson, apparemment il l'avait donner à une de ses coiffeuses-Maquilleuse ("Prince avait donné cette veste à l'une de ses maquilleuses et coiffeuse, à l'issue du tournage de Purple Rain.")

Donc pour ces 2 éléments, ce sont des biens qui ne lui appartenaient plus… donc cela n'a rien à voir avec une succession…
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar doublenico » 04 Mai 2016, 13:41

PrinceMarciano a écrit:Il y'a au moins 1 point positif a court et moyen terme, c'est l'arrêt de la censure internet jusqu'a nouvel ordre. Et qui donnera de nouveaux ordres ? L'héritier ! Et quand ? D'ici minimum 2 ans ! :)

Franchement je ne vois pas de points positifs, désolé...
On a tjs eu des boot, des lives... Quelques vidéos pirates... Mais Prince contrôlait tout et à juste titre afin de maîtriser ce qu'il diffuse, la qualité... Bref tout ça appartient au passé.
Désolé si je suis un peu dur dans mes propos mais ça passe pas...
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar topaz » 04 Mai 2016, 14:23

maxfri a écrit:non....toutes les derniers vidéos sur youtube ont été supprimées.

Mais non mais non Prince Live Aftershow ~ Brussels 1995-03-28 ~ Ultimate Gold Experience Tour - Ghent.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar xpectation2000 » 04 Mai 2016, 14:38

Si on écoute ce reportage il y a tellement d héritiers, qu en l absence de testament j ai bien peur que tout disparaisse rapidement. Si j ai bien compris dans le Minnesota descendant direct ou indirect tout le monde touche une part égale

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar edraffe » 04 Mai 2016, 14:51

oui, frères, soeurs ou demi, c'est pareil
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar COCO » 04 Mai 2016, 15:05

Toujours pas de piste sérieuse confirmée concernant un fils légitime qui aurait fait surface ? Vous avez lu sur ce sujet ? Fake ?
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar sindrome » 04 Mai 2016, 15:17

Dans l'absolu rien n'est impossible mais je reste perplexe sur cette histoire de fils secret qui réclamerait que des tests ADN soient fait... Je trouve ça d'un glauque...
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar edraffe » 04 Mai 2016, 16:20

et si on réclamait tous une part de l'héritage? !
on est tous des enfants de papa prince
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Victor761993 » 04 Mai 2016, 16:24

edraffe a écrit:et si on réclamait tous une part de l'héritage? !
on est tous des enfants de papa prince


Et si on s'occupait de faire vivre Paisley Park et son Vault plutôt?

Preneur en CDI, même si je crois qu'il serait dur à l'heure actuelle de rentrer dans son temple sans s'effondrer en larmes.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar edraffe » 04 Mai 2016, 16:42

oui mais n'oublie pas, tu auras ,une patronne:

...(roulement de tambours)...TIKA !!! :|
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Victor761993 » 04 Mai 2016, 17:10

edraffe a écrit:oui mais n'oublie pas, tu auras ,une patronne:

...(roulement de tambours)...TIKA !!! :|


Je ne suis l'esclave de personne!!!

(Tiens ça me rappelle quelqu'un ça)

Fin du H.S. Sinon Sim il va pas être content, bisou Sim :kiss2:
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Matthieu » 04 Mai 2016, 17:52

edraffe a écrit:oui, frères, soeurs ou demi, c'est pareil

Y a pas une clause bizarre pour les fans français ?
Merci Prince, c'était génial.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Greghost » 04 Mai 2016, 17:54

Pour les tergiversations sur la succession c'est là. Ce topic est destiné au factuel.

questions-debats/succession-heritage-prince-t18368-150.html
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar poilu1418 » 07 Mai 2016, 21:36

Ca pourrait se préciser : test ADN (mais credit de la source ??)

http://www.public.fr/News/Prince-son-fi ... ADN-986194

Et si Prince n'avait pas fait de testament sachant que son fils hériterait en se faisant connaitre ?
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar JonathanBibou » 07 Mai 2016, 22:12

poilu1418 a écrit:Ca pourrait se préciser : test ADN (mais credit de la source ??)

http://www.public.fr/News/Prince-son-fi ... ADN-986194

Et si Prince n'avait pas fait de testament sachant que son fils hériterait en se faisant connaitre ?


T'es sérieux là en disant ça?
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar poilu1418 » 07 Mai 2016, 22:40

JonathanBibou a écrit:
poilu1418 a écrit:Ca pourrait se préciser : test ADN (mais credit de la source ??)

http://www.public.fr/News/Prince-son-fi ... ADN-986194

Et si Prince n'avait pas fait de testament sachant que son fils hériterait en se faisant connaitre ?


T'es sérieux là en disant ça?


Serieux, non car simple supposition
Mais qui est cette personne qui ferai l'objet d'une demande de test ADN ?
Prince la connaissait-t-elle ?
C'est troublant
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar slimongi » 09 Mai 2016, 19:39

La connerie c'est la décontraction de l'intelligence
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar F.M. » 09 Mai 2016, 19:41

Lol, l'acronyme : "Personal Rights in Names Can Endure law"
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Victor761993 » 09 Mai 2016, 19:46

En gros, personne n'aura le droit d'utiliser le nom de Prince, l'image et la voix sans l'accord de la personne qui en aura les droits, c'est ça?
Valable aussi pour n'importe quelle personne, mais créée à la base pour protéger Prince?
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar fcoglio » 09 Mai 2016, 19:59

Salut à tous
hier, à la télé ils ont dit que l'ADN de Prince avait était prélevé. Bonne Initiative puisque apparemment une personne de 30 ans déclare être son fils caché.

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Matthieu » 11 Mai 2016, 07:03

C'est du lard ? Ou du cochon ?
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/en-direct/a-chaud/22597-prince-detenu-americain-affirme-heritier-prince.html
En tout cas, ça se bouscule au portillon, dirait-on...
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Sam06 » 11 Mai 2016, 09:15

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar PaisleyGirl » 11 Mai 2016, 11:55

L'appât du gain ! :rougefaché:
Comme par hasard, l'info sort juste maintenant...
Admission is easy, just say U believe and come 2 this place in your heart
Paisley Park is in your heart...
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar edraffe » 11 Mai 2016, 18:28

depuis le temps qu'il aurait pu parler de son papa......
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar sim theury » 12 Mai 2016, 08:14

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Bambou54 » 12 Mai 2016, 12:09

Un article critique sur le projet de "Prince Act" :
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/11/minnes ... se-bi.html
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar poilu1418 » 25 Mai 2016, 19:35

En tout cas, celui qui se dit être son fils a refusé les test ADN ! Peu crédible

http://www.20minutes.fr/culture/1852075 ... -tests-adn
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar slimongi » 25 Mai 2016, 21:38

Lien très intéressant concernant la gestion des droits (succession de Prince)

Heirs Go Crazy: Prince’s Estate and Copyright’s Termination of Transfer


https://paynebritton.wordpress.com/2016/05/23/heirs-go-crazy-princes-estate-and-copyrights-termination-of-transfer/amp/
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar schkopiteam » 26 Mai 2016, 09:45

RAPPEL : Merci d'utiliser ce sujet pour poster des INFORMATIONS concernant la succession de Prince.

Pas d'hypothèses persos, de questions, de spéculations, pas de réactions etc. qui viendraient noyer toutes informations dans la masse.


Pour discuter sur sa succession:
questions-debats/succession-heritage-prince-t18368.html

Pour discuter de l'hypothétique gestion de The Vault
questions-debats/qui-pour-gerer-the-vault-t18397.html
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar slimongi » 04 Juin 2016, 09:57

Entertainment industry experts to join Prince estate case

http://www.fox9.com/news/152181548-story
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar sim theury » 08 Juin 2016, 22:55

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar calhounsquare » 09 Juin 2016, 12:49

sim theury a écrit:http://www.people.com/people/article/amp/0,,21011465,00.html


J'ai essayé, en me basant sur cet article et une bonne dizaine d'autres, de résumer la situation.
L'article complet sur Calhoun Square est ici :
http://fr.calhounsquare.wikia.com/wiki/Succession_de_Prince

Les dernières infos :
Une nouvelle audience au tribunal qui a eu lieu le 8 juin 2016 a permis aux administrateurs de Bremer Trust de tirer la sonnette d'alarme en ce qui concerne les taxes à payer pour la succession de Prince. D'après eux, l'urgence est majeure : l'état du Minnesota doit collecter le 21 janvier 2017 des taxes qui pourraient s'élever à la moitié des $300 millions auxquels les biens de Prince sont estimés. Pour pouvoir honorer cette somme il faudrait vendre immédiatement les biens immobiliers, dont les studios Paisley Park, ceci avant même que la famille n'ait touché le moindre centime. Si la somme n'est pas honorée en temps et en heure, le gouvernement du Minnesota pourrait procéder à une saisie et une vente immédiate, à prix bien inférieur à la valeur réelle.

Cela pourrait inclure les 2 000 chansons figurant dans le coffre de Paisley Park, les droits sur la publication de ses morceaux, et des éléments de mémorabilia comme ses guitares légendaires.

Si Tyka Nelson semble vouloir donner les pleins pouvoirs à Bremer Trust pour la responsabilité financière et les décisions critiques, ce n'est pas le cas des avocats de certains de ses demi-frères et demi-soeurs, Norrine, Sharon et John, qui souhaitent un délai de réflexion de 5 jours avant que Bremer Trust ne signe le moindre contrat. D'autre part les avocats de Carlin Williams, qui revendique l'héritage de Prince car il en serait le fils illégitime, demandent à ce que les tests de paternité soient connus avant d'aller plus loin. Un autre héritier potentiel, Norman Yates Carthens, s'est également fait connaitre en tant que "enfant adopté" et son avocat était présent à l'audience.

Bremer Trust a déposé une demande en vue de "rouvrir Paisley Park aux affaires" ce qui pourrait se traduire par la mise en oeuvre rapide d'un musée ou la sortie d'enregistrements musicaux en vue de remplir les obligations financières.

L'une des difficultés rencontrées par Bremer Trust est de devoir composer avec un grand nombre de parties représentées par une vingtaine d'avocats.

Le juge Eide a accordé le 8 juin le droit à Bremer Trust de recruter des experts du business de la musique, en vue de monétiser au maximum les finances de Prince afin d'honorer les taxes dues début 2017.


En gros, on peut s'attendre à ce que très prochainement on voit paraître des enregistrements inédits pour permettre de payer les taxes demandées en janvier 2017. Un concert hommage est également en projet pour le mois d'août à Minneapolis, et Paisley Park pourrait être ouvert pour des visites à cette occasion.
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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Maxine » 09 Juin 2016, 18:36

Bambou54 a écrit:Merci Calhounsquare pour cet article très complet. Est-ce qu'il existe sur le net un arbre généalogique de Prince ? J'ai cherché et je n'ai pas trouvé.



https://www.geni.com/people/Prince-Nelson/6000000007748317716

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Re: [INFOS] Succession de Prince

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Re: [INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar More candy 4 u » 11 Juin 2016, 13:21

http://www.rtbf.be/classic21/article_je ... id=9322312
un autre enfant,adopté par P , qui réclame son du ,ça commence a faire beaucoup...
" The time I burned my guitar it was like a sacrifice. You sacrifice the things you love. I love my guitar". Jimi Hendrix
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Re: [INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar Vincent2Paris » 17 Juin 2016, 11:07

http://thesource.com/2016/06/16/breakin ... on-estate/

Breaking: Top Entertainment Execs Join The Prince Rogers Nelson Estate
by Simone Amelia
June 16, 2016

It has been recently confirmed that Bremer Trust National Association, the Court approved Special Administrator of the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson, has retained collectively L. Londell McMillan, Chairman and CEO of The NorthStar Enterprises Worldwide, and Charles A. Koppelman, Chairman and CEO of CAK Entertainment, Inc., to manage the entertainment assets of the Prince estate.

Mr. McMillan’s relationship with Prince was a distinguished one, acting as attorney, manager, confidante and personal friend to the trailblazing artist for over a decade. After working with Prince to free him from his recording contract with Warner Bros, Mr. McMillan worked with Prince to mastermind numerous innovative and historic artist deals, including selling Prince’s album on tour and having Nielsen SoundScan register such sales to reach number one on the charts.

After Prince’s emancipation from Warner Bros, Mr. Koppelman then signed the groundbreaking talent to EMI, for his Emancipation triple album. In a career spanning five decades, veteran executive Mr. Koppelman has been a successful business leader known for his skills in finance and management, as well as his ability to find creative opportunities for businesses and people.

Prince, who passed away on April 21, 2016, was adored worldwide and well regarded as a musical genius.

Both McMillan and Koppelman have denied requests to speak at this time. More information is forthcoming.

L. Londell McMillan is also the owner of The Source Magazine and TheSource.com.
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Messagepar twinsolo » 21 Juin 2016, 12:45

http://www.examiner.com/article/dna-res ... ogical-son

DNA tests results are in and the flurry of activity from the office of Carlin Q. Williams’ attorney strongly suggest that he is indeed Prince’s biological son.
DNA tests results are in and despite efforts to keep the news contained, it appears that Carlin Q. Williams may indeed be Prince’s biological son. Although Williams’ attorney, Patrick Cousins is not yet ready to go public with the news, a June 20 article from RadarOnline published just a few hours ago strongly suggests that Williams was telling the truth when he said Prince was his father and that he was the music icon’s secret son. Cousins is all set to file the results of his client’s DNA test with Minnesota’s Carver County District Court


Bon apparemment les résultats du test ADN sont tombés, sont maintenus confidentiels, et dans le même temps c'est le branle-bas de combat dans le camp Williams...genre sa mère négocie son interview aux alentours de 500000 dollars...

Ce qui m'embête c'est le silence radio chez TMZ.

On en fait quoi de celle là ?
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Messagepar calhounsquare » 21 Juin 2016, 13:08

C'est même plus clair que ça : si l'info est vraie, d'après les tests ADN Carlin Q. Williams serait bien le fils de Prince, et de ce fait bénéficierait de la totalité de l'héritage !
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Messagepar schkopiteam » 21 Juin 2016, 15:01

RAPPEL : Merci d'utiliser ce sujet pour poster des INFORMATIONS concernant la succession de Prince.

Pas d'hypothèses persos, de questions, de spéculations, pas de réactions etc. qui viendraient noyer toutes informations dans la masse.


Pour discuter sur sa succession:
questions-debats/succession-heritage-prince-t18368.html
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Messagepar Bambou54 » 22 Juin 2016, 21:38

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estat ... 383978221/

Prince estate hearing will be public, judge rules
Reporters will be allowed to cover the hearing, but no audio or visual recording or sketch artists will be allowed.
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Messagepar slimongi » 22 Juin 2016, 23:14

La connerie c'est la décontraction de l'intelligence
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Messagepar twinsolo » 27 Juin 2016, 21:34

Ouais bein ça n'a rien donné cette audition d'aujourd'hui...si ce n'est que la juridiction veut prendre son temps pour bien faire les choses donc...renvois à une date ultérieure.

http://www.kare11.com/entertainment/peo ... /256210183

La deuxieme vidéo nous apporte un éclairage sur le timing à envisager pour le règlement de la succession ds le cas ou il n'y aurait pas d'enfant direct...si j'ai bien compris il faut tabler sur un minimum de 8 à 24 mois voire....plusieurs années (en cas de contestation je suppose) .

edit: la liste des 29 (!) parties présentes à l'audience
http://www.people.com/article/prince-es ... eged-heirs

[Révéler] Spoiler: les favoris logiques (les enfants qu'ont eu John NELSON et Mattie SHAW avant et après leur mariage
Tyka Nelson
Prince's only full sibling, Tyka Nelson, was the first to file court documents on April 26, submitting a petition for formal appointment of special administrator five days after her brother's death.

"I am an interested person as defined by Minnesota law because I am the Decedent's heir," Nelson wrote, including an attached exhibit of interested persons she names as heirs: herself, half-brother John Nelson, half-sister Norrine Nelson, half-sister Sharon Nelson, half-brother Alfred Jackson, half-brother Omar [sic] Baker and deceased sister Lorna Nelson (whom she wrote had "no children").

Sharon Nelson
Born in 1940, Sharon is the oldest half-sister from the first marriage of Prince's father. Like her famous sibling, Sharon is also a musician, and in 2009 she released an album entitled 57th Street Sound that included collaborations with her father and sister Lorna, who died in 2006. She is listed in court documents as an "interested party" in Prince's holdings.

Norrine Nelson
As one of five half-siblings listed on initial court documents about the case, Norrine has a strong claim on the singer's estate. Little information is available about Prince's elder half-sister, born in 1942 to Prince's father and his first wife, and their relationship in later years remains unclear.

John R. Nelson
John R. Nelson is Prince's oldest half-brother, born in 1944 to Prince's father and his first wife. Not much is known publicly of his life, although he is listed as a resident of Kansas City, Missouri.

Alfred Jackson
Prince's mother gave birth to his older half-brother, Alfred, during an earlier relationship. He served in the U.S. Air Force during the Vietnam War and spent many years living in a Minneapolis-area Veteran's Association hospital. His status as a beneficiary was hampered by a report from an unnamed individual stating that he had gone missing and was not psychologically well. Both of these allegations proved false. Interestingly, he had been seen several days before the report was filed at a meeting concerning Prince's estate, during which Tyka Nelson reportedly stormed out. This has led some to speculate that one or more of the siblings filed the report in an effort to have Alfred declared mentally incompetent.

Omarr Baker
Omarr Baker is Prince's younger half -brother, the son of his mother and stepfather. The nature of his relationship with Prince in recent years is unknown, although his home in a Minneapolis suburb was reportedly owned by the superstar.

Brianna Nelson
Brianna Nelson claims to be the daughter of the late Duane Nelson Sr. – identified in the affidavit as Prince's half brother – which would make her the artist's half-niece. Following her father's death in 2011, Brianna believes she is entitled to his share of Prince's estate. However, Duane was not named in the original probate case filed by Tyka Nelson. "It could have just been an oversight. I'm not reading nefarious intent into it," Brianna's lawyer told the New York Daily News. Tyka did issue a statement when Duane, who at one point served as Prince's head of security, died.

Victoria Nelson
The late Duane Nelson Sr. had only one grandchild, born to his son, Duane Jr. The younger Duane died in 2005, leaving behind a 1-year-old daughter, Victoria. Her mother, Jeannie Halloran, has filed suit claiming that Victoria is Prince's half-grandniece and entitled to one-half a share (or 1/14th) of the estate.

Darcell Gresham Johnston
Johnston came forward in early May claiming to be Prince's long-lost half sister, born from the same mother but a different father. Court documents list her as an "interested party" in the holdings of the late singer, and consents to the "appointment of Bremer Trust, National Association as Special Administrator for the Estate." Prince's other siblings learned of her existence just days before the claim was filed.


[Révéler] Spoiler: les outsiders (il y a encore plus loufoque que le taulard...(Regina L. Sorenson))
Carlin Q. Williams
Currently in prison for charges stemming from gun possession, Williams alleges that he is Prince's illegitimate son. His mother, Marsha J. Henson, filed an affidavit claiming that she met Prince in the lobby of a Kansas City, Missouri, hotel in 1976. According to her story, they had unprotected sex later that evening, and she became pregnant with Carlin. TMZ reports that DNA test results concluded that there is no chance that he is related to the music legend. It's uncertain whether legal proceedings will continue in light of this new information.

Norman Yates Carthens
Prince has no known biological children, but Norman Yates Carthens claims that he was adopted by the musician as his only son. He is vague on the details of when and why this adoption took place, but says he can provide concrete proof once he is released from Barnwell County Jail in South Carolina. While Prince's estate maintains that the artist died without a will, Norman insists one exists because he's listed as an heir and due to inherit $7 million. He filed a Demand for Notice against the estate on June 6.

Regina L. Sorenson
Claiming to be a half sibling and "business partner" of the late musician, Regina Sorenson alleges that Prince's estate owes her an "undetermined amount." In an affidavit filed on June 3, she says she lived with the Nelson family until both she and Prince were removed from the household by Child Protective Services after "severe abuse" at the hands of their older siblings. Prince never publicly spoke about these incidents, if they ever took place. Regina maintains there is a trust in her name, and wishes to be included in the DNA testing for potential heirs.

Confusingly, though she professes to share the same paternity as Prince, she lists their biological father as "Paul Lenard Newman of Connecticut." The Oscar-winning actor Paul Leonard Newman did indeed hail from Connecticut, and she speaks of traveling with him "across [the] country from stage to stage and movie set to movie set from birth." In addition to an apparent career as a commercial actress, model, and "blind ballet dancer," she also claims to have been fostered by celebrities including Shirley Jones, Michael Landon, Ryan O'Neal, and various members of the Disney family.

Kimberly Felecia Potts
Kimberly Felecia Potts of Tallassee, Alabama, says she is due $500,000 of the icon's estate, alleging she is responsible for Prince's 2004 album Musicology. "I am the creator of the Musicology. I created Musicology in the NPG Music Club in 2004. Prince invited me to Paisley Park in Nov. 2015 to reopen the NPG MC, and to reward me for Musicology," Kimberly claims in her statement, alleging her claim is secured by "NPG MC records," "conversations" and "Twitter Account chats."

R. Kerr
Atlanta resident, R. Kerr, filed a statement of claim in Minnesota's Carver County District Court, alleging Prince owes her $46,582.29 for "recording cost, post production, equipment rental."

General Dr. Karolina R. Kennedy Ferrara (A.K.A. Maleika S. Mosley)
An Atalanta resident claiming to be a "Harvard-educated Attorney/Judge and Surgeon/Biomedical Researcher" filed a claim on May 6th seeking over $750 million from Prince's estate. Calling herself many names, but "currently existing as Maleika S. Mosley," the woman submitted a detailed three page letter in which she outlined her "now 40 years long post-Civil Rights Movement Sociopolitical Hostage Crisis," for which she's been seeking compensation from Prince since the mid-1980s.

Rodney Herachio Dixon
A resident of Murrieta, California, Rodney Dixon filed a bold claim alleging that he had a verbal agreement with Prince that gave him complete ownership of the artist's musical catalog and vast vault of unreleased recordings. He filed similar motions in the mid-1990s under the names Aeric Alexander Mercury and Rameses America Mercury, which he says were ignored by Prince's representatives. In the current claim, Rodney asserts himself as the "sole and exclusive owner of all intellectual properties after the death of Prince Rogers Nelson" and maintains that he is owed $1 billion. Attorneys for the singer's estate dismissed the motion as "frivolous."

Catherine Bellante
As treasurer of Eighth Day Sound System, Inc. – a Highland Heights, Ohio, music business – Bellante claims the estate owes her $256,010.89 for services provided from Nov. 13, 2014 to May 16, 2015.

"Our company provided audio services for rehearsals, shows and events for Prince at Paisley Park, as well as other venues requested by production," Bellante asserts in her statement. "Invoices were addressed to NPG Music Publishing, which was one of Prince's touring production companies."

Roskco A. Motes
Dr. Roskco A. Motes wrote, "I have a financial or property interest in the Estae of the Decedent, for the following reason," in a June 10 demand for notice document. "I am the half-brother of Prince Rogers Nelson."

Venita Giselle Jackson Leverette
Leverette submitted an affidavit of heirship, claiming she is a half-sister of Prince because: "Alfred B. Jackson Senior is my father ... According to the marriage certificate filed in Jackson County, Missouri on Feb. 19, 1953, my father was married to Mattie Shaw ("Mattie"), Decedent's mother."

Leverette goes on to say, "Alfred, Sr. is also the father of Decedent, making myself the half-sister of Decedent."(Prince's biological father is jazz musician John L. Nelson.)

Leverette says she is the sister of Prince's half-brother, Alfred, Jr., and alleges, "I was told by my brother, Alfred Jr., that Mattie confided in him that our father, Alfred, Sr., may also be Decedent's father."

April Lashaun Seward, Martha Samuels, James Austin Womack, Priscilla Williams, Lorraine M. Huddlestom, Dana Samuels Nettles, Jonette M. Carter and Michael Samuels
The aforementioned people each filed demand for notice papers or heirship affidavits on June 14, each alleging: "I have an interest in this matter based on my being a descendant of Virginia Nelson (Thompson) the sibling of the decedent's great-grandfather, Clarence Nelson."

All parties listed are from across the country (from Southfield, Michigan, to Baton Rouge, Louisiana), and each signed the documents, "Under penalties for perjury, I declare that I have read this document and I know or believe its representations are true and complete."

Nicole Patricia White
Brooklyn resident White filed a statement of claim on June 14, asserting she's indebted a "share" of Prince's estate because a DNA test will prove a familial relationship.

"I would like to be included in the official DNA testing," she wrote in her statement. "I will be obtaining legal counsel and representation."

Michael John Darling
Now a Rush City, Minnesota, resident, Darling called himself a "potential heir" to Prince's estate – and asked the court add another judge, former Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Alan Page, to handle the estate – in his June 21 correspondence.

"Since I have not seen the last Will and Testament, I might be one of the named HEIRS to the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson in his Last Will and Testament," Darling wrote.

As a Prince's Tyka Nelson and a judge confirmed in April, Prince did not have a will at the time of his death, so Darling would not be listed as an heir on any such document.


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Autant vous dire que c'est pas demain la veille que cette succession sera réglée.
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A Princely Sum

Taxes, lawsuits and a guessing game over his ultimate worth are just part of the drama to come as experts unravel Prince’s financial legacy.

by Tad Simons

June 29, 2016

It is still hard to believe. Prince Rogers Nelson dead, at 57, without leaving so much as a Post-it note to indicate who he wanted to inherit his vast fortune, or how his music and legacy should be managed. Indeed, of all the strange and idiosyncratic decisions Prince made in his career, dying without a will may turn out to be the most mystifying.

The ironies are impossible to ignore. Here was a man who employed teams of lawyers to investigate and battle anyone involved in the most innocent of copyright infringements—a man who once forced a mother to remove the YouTube video she had posted of her toddler dancing to his song “Let’s Go Crazy”; a man who once filed suit against nine websites and two Prince fanzines for referring to him in print by the glyph that was his legal name at the time; a man whose zealous pursuit of copyright violators prompted the Electronic Frontier Foundation to create a hall-of-shame award especially for him: The Raspberry Beret Lifetime Aggrievement Award, in honor of the Purple One’s obsessive use of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to prevent anyone, anywhere, from using his music or image in any way that he did not personally bless. With lawyers on speed-dial and litigation on his daily to-do list, how is it possible that Prince died intestate? No one knows. “I find it inconceivable that Prince’s lawyers never suggested that he draw up a will,” says Sharon Sandeen, a professor of law at Mitchell Hamline School of Law in St. Paul. “They had to have had that conversation. I can’t think of any scenario where they wouldn’t.”

And yet.

As the world now knows, having died without a will, Prince effectively handed over control of his legacy to the vagaries of the Minnesota legal system. Absent any other estate-planning documents, such as a trust, the heirs to Prince’s estate are now locked into a long, arduous legal process over which they have little control. At stake is an estate valued at anywhere from $100 million to somewhere north of $300 million, as well as the rights over who will manage Prince’s artistic legacy going forward, what value the state will place on Prince’s income potential in the future, and how much control his estate will have over the management of Prince’s brand in perpetuity.
Prince Rules Billboard Chart

Prince set an all-time record for the Billboard 200 chart in mid-May.

He had 19 albums on the chart for the week of May 14. The Beatles, with 13 albums, had the old record for the most number of albums on the chart in a single week.

Prince broke the record weeks after his death on April 21. “The Very Best of Prince” was No. 2 and “Purple Rain” reached No. 3.
What kind of tax bill is facing Prince’s estate?

While the value of Prince’s estate is unknown, the approach to calculating the estate taxes is much clearer.

Twin Cities Business contacted accounting firm Baker Tilly to gain a deeper understanding of what’s involved in determining and paying the estate taxes.

At the time of his death, Baker Tilly did not have Prince or his related entities as a client.

Mark Bakko, tax partner and leader of Baker Tilly’s Minneapolis tax practice, explains how to reach an estate tax total if Prince’s estate is valued at $300 million. That is one of the estimates that has been used in media reports.

When computing estate taxes there are several items that are deducted from the value of the estate, Bakko says. “One item is the state estate tax which is treated as a deduction from the total value of the estate,” he says. “On a $300 million estate, the Minnesota estate taxes would be $47,464,000.” Therefore, this amount would be deducted from the $300 million gross value of the estate.

Each person is allowed a federal exclusion of $5.54 million. “So the first $5.54 million is not taxed for federal,” Bakko says. “This amount would be reduced by any previous gifts that have been made. Therefore it is possible that none of the $5.54 million is still available.”

For Minnesota estate tax purposes, the amount of exclusion is $1.6 million instead of the $5.54 million.

“This means that the federal estate tax would be $98,789,400, if the full federal exclusion has not been used,” Bakko says. “The tax would be $100,960,200, if the exclusion has been previously used.”

The total federal and Minnesota estate tax owed would be $146,262,400. The tax is normally due nine months after death.

If the value of the estate is from a separate legal operating entity (like a partnership, S corporation, limited liability company) then the estate tax is due over a much longer time. The rules for paying the tax are:

interest only for the first four years
the remaining balance is paid over 10 years, plus interest each year.

“We do not know if Prince had any separate legal entities,” Bakko says. “So it is unknown if this second payment option is even available.”

How it will all play out is anyone’s guess. Only two things are certain: There will be taxes, and there will be lawsuits. An estate executor has yet to be named, but Bremer Trust has been granted temporary stewardship over Prince’s financials. And Bremer staff and advisers will be busy.

The first big hurdle for the Prince camp will be determining who the rightful heirs to Prince’s fortune really are. In court documents, Prince’s sister, Tyka, has listed herself and five half-siblings as the heirs. But since that filing, two women claiming to be Prince’s niece and grand-niece have come forward, as have people claiming that Prince was their father.

One of the paternity claims comes from a rapper named Carlin Q. Williams, who is currently serving time in a Colorado federal prison on weapons charges. Williams’ mother, Marsha Henson, claims she met Prince in Kansas City in 1976, had sex with him in July, and bore her son the following April. A timeline puts Prince in KC at about that time, adding an element of credibility to the claim.

If Williams can pass a DNA test establishing a genetic link (an admittedly big “if”), Minnesota law would declare Williams as Prince’s sole heir (assuming no other love children materialize), leaving Tyka and her half-siblings with nothing.
Once and future money

The next big obstacle will be the dreaded estate tax. If Prince had been married or left his fortune to charity, the tax wouldn’t apply. But he wasn’t and didn’t, so the estate will be subject to the highest possible rates: 40 percent federal, 16 percent state (though the state tax is deductible against the federal).

The Prince estate has nine months, plus an optional six-month extension, to file its claim estimating the value of Prince’s assets—cash, property, investments, royalties and estimated future earnings. The IRS’ auditors then have three years to file their own estimate. If the two don’t agree, there could be trouble.

The most problematic number likely will be the estimated value of Prince’s future earnings at the time of his death—a number that would include royalties from his catalog of work, the value of hundreds or thousands of unreleased songs that Prince recorded and stored in a vault at Paisley Park, and the estimated dollar value of Prince’s brand in the future.

Unfortunately, that last part—estimating Prince’s future value—is as tricky as it is important. One of the peculiarities of the estate tax is a requirement to estimate how much revenue the claimant’s estate is likely to generate after his or her death, and pay taxes on it immediately, before the money has been earned. The amount is theoretical, but the cash needed to pay it is not.

According to Andy Mayoras, an estate attorney and co-author of Trial & Heirs, a book about celebrity estate-planning debacles, the Prince case is unique because he owned most of the copyrights to his work—and there are other major factors to consider. There’s a huge question mark hanging over the value of possibly hundreds or thousands of unreleased recordings locked away in Prince’s storied vault, and because he died relatively young, there’s a loss of decades of creative potential.

“There is some guesswork involved in determining how much money the estate can profit from his future royalty streams, the unreleased music, and Prince’s name and likeness,” says Mayoras, a principal partner with a Michigan-based law firm. “The IRS is going to take a snapshot of his value on the date of his death. Nobody knows what’s in the vault or what it’s worth, but someone has to come up with a number.”

That number is everything.
Prince achieved superstar status as a musician, singer and creative artist. Despite his aggressive moves to seize control of his musical rights, the handling of his estate and business affairs is now up in the air because he failed to leave a will and estate plan. Bridges and buildings in the Twin Cities area were bathed in purple to honor the life of Prince. But the purple tributes extended around the world, including purple lighting on the Empire State Building in New York City and the Eiffel Tower in Paris.
A possible precedent

Michael Jackson’s estate offers a cautionary tale: In 2010, the year after Jackson died, Jackson’s estate estimated the value of the Gloved One’s name and likeness going forward at a paltry $2,105, arguing that his estate was bankrupt at the time of his death, and his image had been forever tarnished by allegations of child molestation. The IRS disagreed and came up with a slightly different number: $434.26 million. A Washington, D.C., court is scheduled to hear the case in February.

The outcome of the Michael Jackson case is important to the Prince estate because it could establish an expensive precedent. If the IRS wins, or even if some multimillion-dollar middle ground is reached—$200 million, say—it could provide a rationale for auditors evaluating Prince’s estate to reach for a higher number.

As it happens, Michael Jackson’s estate also has gone ahead and disproven the validity of its own low-ball estimate by earning more than $1 billion since Jackson’s death. That number also could play a role, because it demonstrates that beloved pop artists in this day and age can bank quite a bundle after they die. In Jackson’s case, the film This Is It, the Cirque du Soleil show Michael Jackson ONE, album sales, new music and a $750 million catalog deal with Sony have pushed MJ’s post-mortem payday well past that billion-dollar mark. One can only hope that Prince’s estate doesn’t go the Cirque route to riches, but turning Paisley Park into a museum or shrine à la Elvis Presley’s Graceland is certainly an option, as is a film and some sort of fan-friendly concert experience. Prince also was reportedly working with journalist Dan Piepenbring of the Paris Review on an unpublished memoir tentatively titled The Beautiful Ones.

The bottom line is that no one knows precisely how much Prince’s estate is really worth, now or in the future. According to Forbes, a conservative estimate of the value of Prince’s future royalties on music he’s already released (39 studio albums, four live albums, six compilations, 17 video albums, 136 music videos, 13 EPs, one remix album) is between $300 million and $500 million. Unlike most other artists, Prince owned the copyright to most of his music, so the revenue stream from that quarter is full and flowing. Demand is also high. In the two weeks following his death, several of Prince’s albums were on the Billboard 200, including the top two spots (Beyoncé eventually nudged him off). Prince also prohibited streaming services such as Pandora and Spotify from playing his music (Jay-Z’s Tidal is the only streaming service Prince approved of), so fans must still pay for the privilege of hearing most of Prince’s music.
What’s in the vault?

But it’s the material the public hasn’t heard that’s the biggest mystery. Most media outlets echo reports that the vault contains more than 2,000 songs. Prince’s former recording engineer, Susan Rogers, has said there were already more than 2,000 songs in the vault when she left in 1989, according to the New York Daily News. Alan Leeds, Prince’s former tour manager, says Prince also recorded every concert he ever played. So in addition to the recorded songs, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of live concert performances that could be curated and sold.

All of that potential income sounds great, and it is, except when it comes to that one-time estate tax hit. If the state’s auditors decide that Prince’s total estate at the time of his death is worth say, $300 million—not an outlandish sum by any means—the estate could be on the hook for about $150 million in taxes right out of the gate.

“A number like that would probably force the estate to sell off assets to pay the taxes,” says attorney Mayoras. “The value of the vault is illiquid, but they have to make it liquid.”

But what to liquidate? According to Carver County property records, Prince owns 16 properties in Minnesota—including four in Chanhassen, two in Minneapolis, and one in Excelsior—which are worth just over $31 million. The most valuable of these properties is a 156-acre parcel of land on the shores of Lake Lucy and Lake Ann in Chanhassen, valued at $13.68 million. Paisley Park, the 9-acre recording/living/party complex where Prince died, is valued at $7 million. The rest are various properties valued at $95,000 on up. Recording equipment, musical instruments, personal belongings, a few cars and some art constitute the bulk of his other physical assets. It’s unclear what he had stashed away in cash and investments.

“Determining the value of those intangible assets is most of the battle,” says Matt McClenahan, an estate-planning attorney with the Minneapolis-based JUX law firm. “The number could be very high. But both sides have to play by the same rule book in the valuation process. If Prince’s team and the IRS come up with different numbers, there will be an opportunity for negotiation, and an opportunity for the tax court to render an agreement.”

If no agreement can be reached about the amount of tax owed or terms of payment, there could be a lawsuit similar to the Michael Jackson case.
Rights to the famous image

Concerns about these issues spawned a flurry of activity in the last two weeks of the state legislative session in May. As it happens, Minnesota does not have a specific law prohibiting other people from profiting from the image or likeness of a celebrity—on a T-shirt or bobblehead, say—after they’re dead. The ability to control the use of a celebrity’s image and likeness is called “right of publicity,” a right that a celebrity-rich state such as California has codified into law. Minnesota has a common-law statute established by a case involving Jesse Ventura, but that case only established right of publicity in Minnesota while someone is still alive.

Without a right-of-publicity statute, Prince’s heirs could lose a bundle to entrepreneurial merchandisers of Prince-inspired memorabilia. To prevent this from happening, Bremer Trust asked the Minneapolis law firm Stinson Leonard Street to draft a right-of-publicity bill based on California’s statute. Rep. Joe Hoppe, R-Chaska, whose district includes Paisley Park, and Sen. Bobby Joe Champion, DFL-Minneapolis, were hastily recruited to sponsor the bill.

The legislation did not conceal its intent; it was called the Personal Rights in Names Can Endure (PRINCE) Act. Its purpose was to protect Prince’s legacy from “unauthorized commercial use,” but representatives of several sports celebrities also backed the effort.

Joel Leviton, a Stinson attorney representing Bremer Trust, explained the law’s rationale to a judiciary panel this way: “For better or worse, Prince is the first Minnesota celebrity to reside here, to pass away here, and likely go through probate with a right of publicity that has value.”

But right-of-publicity laws also give celebrities broad latitude to sue whomever they think is violating that right, for whatever reason. In many cases, those trapped in its web are people who unwittingly crossed the line—promoting a dance party, theater performance or tribute act, for instance—and don’t have the resources to defend themselves.

Many First Amendment advocates and representatives from local arts institutions, including the Guthrie, were quick to criticize the bill’s potentially “chilling effect” on creativity and self-expression. They also questioned the wisdom of passing legislation with such broad ramifications so quickly, noting that most of the scenarios concerning Prince’s merchandising potential are already covered by current copyright, trademark and patent law. The use of Prince’s music catalog, for instance, is already protected by copyright. Bremer Trust argued that the bill needed to be passed quickly to clarify issues with Prince’s 2016 taxes, but the anti-PRINCE faction made enough of a fuss that the bill was ultimately tabled. It hasn’t gone away, though. A working committee has been formed to refine the bill’s language and reintroduce it following the 2016 election.

Blake Iverson, an intellectual property attorney with the Friedman Iverson law firm, was among those who objected to the bill in the form it was drafted, partly because it put the onus of attorney’s fees on the plaintiff. “No other intellectual-property tort incentivizes attorneys to be aggressive, but this one does. If a nightclub decided to do a Prince tribute night, they could demand all the money from the event plus attorney’s fees. People love Prince here, and they want to honor him, but this law would cause people to be very cautious. Sometimes, people’s hearts are in the right place, but they aren’t very sophisticated about the law, and they get in trouble.”

If such a bill ever does pass, the hope is that the Prince camp would exercise some common-sense discretion over who should and shouldn’t be sued under the law. But if Prince’s heirs are guided by the question, “What would Prince do?,” discretion is not the first descriptor that comes to mind. Waiting for the Legislature to act is not the Prince camp’s only alternative, either. The heirs could sue someone and force the courts to clarify the issue of right of publicity after death through case law.
A legacy: money and memory

Estate planners and lawyers have been quick to emphasize that these legal hassles, and at least some of the tax burden, could have been avoided if Prince had written a will, or could still be avoided if a valid will eventually turns up.

“Minnesota has terrible tax laws, but we have some really great trust laws,” says McClenahan. “There are many ways to protect your assets. The whole Prince situation is unfortunate, because when we’re talking about our legacy, it’s not just about the money we leave behind, it’s about the impact our decisions have on other people, and how that reflects on the way people remember us.”

During his life, Prince was known as a brilliant and mercurial artist who also was a savvy businessman and a passionate advocate for artists’ rights, particularly his own. Control over his artistic destiny and legacy was everything to Prince. So for him to sacrifice that control by neglecting to attend to the most basic legal safeguard imaginable is still, for many, an unimaginable situation.

Prince’s music will always come first in the cultural conversation about him. But his estate case may go down in history as the greatest advertisement for the importance of responsible estate-planning that the world has ever known.

Tad Simons is a St. Paul-based freelance writer and editor who writes monthly about the arts and entertainment industry for Twin Cities Business.


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Prince possédait beaucoup de terrain autour de PP, convoité aujourd'hui pour construction de plus de 100 maisons... :perplex:

Prince was major landholder in Chanhassen



Source: Carver County

Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2016 11:00 am

By Richard Crawford dcrawford@swpub.com

Prince was not only an international music star, he also was a significant landholder in the city of Chanhassen.

Already family members and friends have indicated that Prince wanted to turn Paisley Park into some type of music museum, and that’s something city leaders said is possible.

Land zoning where Paisley Park is located at Audubon Road and Highway 5 could accommodate a museum, according to Chanhassen City Manager Todd Gerhardt.

The city wants to be respectful of the family’s wishes, according to Chanhassen Mayor Denny Laufenburger, and the city expects it will take time before any plans surface for Prince’s property.

Prince owned a large swath — 179 acres — of property on the west side of Lake Ann, in an area that is zoned residential, Gerhardt said April 25.

Gerhardt said the city can’t dictate what happens with the property. Ultimately, if plans come forward, as long as the development meets city zoning rules it likely will be allowed.

Assuming the land next to Lake Ann would be a residential development, it could accommodate hundreds of homes. Gerhardt said not all of the acreage is developable because of wetlands.

“It’s up to the family,” Gerhardt said. “It could be a significant development. But you won’t see anything for a long time.”

On Tuesday, Prince’s sister filed a motion for a special administrator to oversee Prince’s estate because there was no known will.

According to county property records, Prince owned $30 million worth of property in the county, including Paisley Park, the property next to Lake Ann, and individual properties elsewhere in Chanhassen.



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Messagepar Mariannedanielle » 14 Juillet 2016, 23:37

Vincent2Paris a écrit:http://www.twincities.com/2016/07/13/prince-heirs-death-new-beneficiaries-inheritance/

Voici une version française de l'article

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ar ... cats.shtml

Succession de Prince : des avocats auraient des « info pertinentes » au sujet d'héritiers
Publié le mercredi 13 juillet 2016 à 14 h 03
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Le juge chargé de superviser les procédures judiciaires concernant la succession de Prince a déclaré qu'une firme d'avocats aurait des renseignements « potentiellement pertinents » quant aux héritiers de la vedette.
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Le juge Kevin Eide, du comté de Carver, au Minnesota, a donné l'autorisation à la firme Henson & Efron, de Minneapolis, de communiquer l'information de manière privée à l'administrateur spécial Bremer Trust, qui gère la succession de Prince.

Le magistrat a écrit que la firme qui représentait auparavant le chanteur pourrait détenir des renseignements confidentiels « potentiellement pertinents pour déterminer les bénéficiaires appropriés ».

L'ordonnance - qui a été rendue publique mercredi, bien qu'elle date du 6 juillet - ne précise cependant pas la nature de ces renseignements.

À lire aussi : Qu'adviendra-t-il de la fortune de Prince?

Rappelons que Prince a succombé à une surdose accidentelle de fentanyl en avril et qu'aucun testament n'a été trouvé. La cour n'a pas tranché quant aux proches et aux autres demandeurs qui réclament une partie de l'héritage.
Prince au spectacle de la mi-temps du Super Bowl en 2007
Prince au spectacle de la mi-temps du Super Bowl en 2007 Photo : AP Photo/Alex Brandon

Marié et divorcé à deux reprises, le musicien n'a pas d'enfant connu. Ses deux parents sont morts, mais il a une soeur, Tyka Nelson, et au moins cinq demi-frères et demi-soeurs.

Plusieurs autres personnes ont depuis affirmé avoir un lien de parenté avec lui.

Ni les avocats de Henson & Efron ni ceux de Bremer Trust n'ont pu être contactés pour commenter l'information.
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Donc, en résumé, pas de surprise pour les ayants-droits à sa succession: la sœur et les 5 demi-frères et sœurs.
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Messagepar Vincent2Paris » 28 Juillet 2016, 12:07

Un article du Santa Monica Observer qui rentre dans la légende si les infos contenues dedans sont vraies, même si bon, c'est l'été et ça peut être un stagiaire au journal qui s'emmerde.
Edit : Ah bah non, l'article est maintenant signé par "Samuel Alioto, Observer Staff Writer" et classé en Breaking News. Ca doit être plutôt sérieux comme source donc.

Paternity Test Proves That Prince Rogers Nelson Left a Son.

Genetic testing verifies one unidentified man's claim to be the Purple Rain singer's illegitimate son.
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July 28, 2016

An unidentified man in his 30s whose mother allegedly had several liaisons with Prince in the 1980s, has DNA showing Prince has a 99% probability of being his father.

Independent genetic testing at a Santa Monica lab, has verified that an unidentified man in his 30s whose mother allegedly had several liaisons with Prince in the 1980s, has DNA showing Prince has a 99% probability of being the man's father.

Prince Rogers Nelson died from a fentanyl overdose at his Paisley Park recording Minnesota home on April 21, 2016. He was 57. His staff found the singer dead in an elevator and called 911. He died unmarried and without a will. Prince left no living children and no obvious heirs to his estimated net worth $300 million estate, other than one full sister, Tyka Nelson. So it was believed.

SMObserved.com has learned that genetic testing does in fact verify the authenticity of one claimant, to be the illegitimate child of the Purple Rain star. This child, a young man who is now an adult, is the son of Prince and a woman who, in the 1980's used to perform in the same clubs as the singer (though the mother was not a member of Prince's band).

The claimant, who never met his father, has negotiated with the Singer's estate and preserved his privacy (i.e., his mother desired anonymity) until today. However, if he wants to share in his estate, he will have to either settle his claim, or come forward with a legal filing in Court by the end of September.

Genetic testing has verified his claim, we have learned, so the Estate may ultimately settle with him. Since the Court must approve the settlement, the entire story will soon be public information whether or not the settlement is contested.


On April 26, 2016, Prince's sister and only full sibling Tyka Nelson filed court documents in Carver County, Minnesota, to open a probate case, stating that no will had been found. Prince's five half-siblings also have a claim to his estate. As of three weeks after his death, 700 people claimed to be half-siblings or descendants. Bremer Trust was given temporary control of his estate, had his vault drilled, and was authorized to obtain a blood sample for genetic testing. Merriman, Rebecca (May 7, 2016). "700 people claim to be Prince's half-siblings as judge orders DNA tests to find legitimate heirs". http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-n ... lf-7921365

These claims however, are about to be superseded by the authentic claim of one full child.

John Hilbert and Shar Mansukhani from Heir Hunters International told the UK Mirror in May, that they had been "inundated with calls and emails from people claiming to be related to the popstar; but that the man's case stood out."

"We have a standard protocol. We want a certified copy of your birth record and we also want a detailed description of why you think you would be related to Prince," Hilbert told RadarOnline. "It added up with where Prince was and where his mother was."

The alleged man is in his 30s and lives in the Midwest according to the Heir Hunters and when he contacted the organization, claiming his mother had several encounters with Prince during the 1980s.

Reuters reports that the Minnesota probate court has already dismissed petitions from at least three men claiming they were fathered by Prince out of wedlock, for lack of evidence. Two of these men are currently incarcerated. One woman who's claim was also dismissed, alleged that she was a secret bride of Prince "whose marriage records are classified by the CIA as top secret." This claim from the young man referenced hereinabove, however, has not yet been filed.

Prince was an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, and actor. He was a musical innovator and known for his eclectic work, flamboyant stage presence, extravagant dress and makeup, and wide vocal range. His music integrates a wide variety of styles, including funk, rock, R&B, new wave, soul, psychedelia, and pop. He has sold over 100 million records worldwide, making him one of the best-selling artists of all time. He won seven Grammy Awards, a Golden Globe Award, and an Academy Award for the film Purple Rain.

He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2004, the first year of his eligibility. Rolling Stone ranked Prince at number 27 on its list of 100 Greatest Artists-"the most influential artists of the rock & roll era".

Prince was born in Minneapolis and developed an interest in music as a young child. He signed a recording contract with Warner Bros. at the age of 18, and released his debut album in 1978.

An unidentified man in his 30s whose mother allegedly had several liaisons with Prince in the 1980s, has DNA showing Prince has a 99% probability of being his father.

In 1993, while in a contractual dispute with Warner Bros., he changed his stage name to an unpronounceable symbol also known as the "Love Symbol", and began releasing new albums at a faster pace to remove himself from contractual obligations. He released five records between 1994 and 1996 before signing with Arista Records in 1998. In 2000, he began referring to himself as "Prince" again. He released 16 albums after that, including The Rainbow Children (2001). His final album, Hit n Run Phase Two, was first released on the Tidal streaming service on December 12, 2015.

Over the years Prince was romantically linked with many female celebs, including Kim Basinger, Madonna, Vanity, Sheila E., Carmen Electra, Susanna Hoffs, Sherilyn Fenn, Susan Moonsie of Vanity 6 and Apollonia 6. Prince was engaged to Susannah Melvoin in 1985.

When Prince was 37, he married his 22-year-old backup singer and dancer Mayte Garcia, on Valentine's Day 1996. She gave birth to a son named Ahmir Gregory on October 16, 1996. But he was born with Pfeiffer syndrome and died a week later. Prince and Mayte’s divorce was finalized in 1999.

In 2001, Prince married Manuela Testolini in a private ceremony. She filed for divorce in May 2006.


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Messagepar FunkyDancer » 28 Juillet 2016, 20:11

Vincent2Paris a écrit:Un article du Santa Monica Observer qui rentre dans la légende si les infos contenues dedans sont vraies, même si bon, c'est l'été et ça peut être un stagiaire au journal qui s'emmerde.
Edit : Ah bah non, l'article est maintenant signé par "Samuel Alioto, Observer Staff Writer" et classé en Breaking News. Ca doit être plutôt sérieux comme source donc.


Pardon Vincent mais je pense que tu t'emballes un peu trop vite, pour info c'était également le Santa Monica Observer qui prétendait que Prince était mort du sida (AIDS).

Pour moi on est sur le même genre de délire que l'affaire Carlin Williams (l'ex taulard), et on sait bien ce que ca a donné...wait and see.

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Messagepar Vincent2Paris » 28 Juillet 2016, 21:25

Oui au temps pour moi. C'est un putain de tabloid local de Santa Monica. Oui "tabloid local", ça existe aux USA dans la third mile zone....
L'auteur de l'article "Samuel Alioto" est un pseudo. Ils ont piqué la photo d'un mec qui s'appelle Samuel John et qui bosse à NY. (voir linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/samuel-john-567b52)
C'est du piège à clic (pas de bol pour eux, j'ai adblock :langue: ). Next.
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Messagepar Vincent2Paris » 30 Juillet 2016, 12:46

StarTribune : http://www.startribune.com/carver-count ... 388696721/

Le juge a publié un rapport de 19 pages sur qui est en lice pour hériter. Il écarte d'emblée plus de 25 personnes qui se prétendaient progéniture à défaut d'apporter des preuves, et ordonne des tests ADN concernant des possibles nièces Brianna Nelson et Victoria Nelson.

List of potential Prince heirs is narrowed
In a 19-page ruling Friday, District Judge Kevin Eide partly untangled the complicated issues surrounding the question of who stands to inherit Prince's bounty.
By Mary Lynn Smith Star Tribune
July 29, 2016 — 11:22pm

The number of potential heirs in line to share millions from Prince’s estate was cut Friday when a Carver County judge overseeing the case dismissed the claims of more than two dozen people and ordered the genetic testing of six others.

In a 19-page ruling, District Judge Kevin Eide methodically untangled the complex issues surrounding the question of who could eventually inherit Prince’s bounty, estimated to be $100 million to $300 million before taxes.

In short, it appears there may be at least six potential heirs — and possibly two more — who have the same mother or father as Prince, depending on the results of the genetic testing.

Claims from five people who said Prince is their father were dismissed, although the judge said he may reconsider one case if proof is provided that Prince adopted the child. So far, the child “has failed to provide proof of the alleged adoption,” Eide stated in his ruling.

Among the six who have been ordered to undergo genetic testing are children of John L. Nelson, Prince’s father. They include Prince’s sister, Tyka Nelson, and three half-siblings, John, Norrine and Sharon Nelson.

Two others — Brianna Nelson and Victoria Nelson — also have been ordered to undergo genetic testing. Brianna Nelson has said that she is Prince’s niece, claiming that her father, the late Duane Joseph Nelson Sr., was John L. Nelson’s son and Prince’s half-brother.

Other Prince siblings, however, have said that’s not true. But if it is, Brianna Nelson and her 11-year-old niece, Victoria, could be counted as heirs.

Two other half-siblings of the late musician — Omarr Baker and Alfred Jackson — were not ordered to undergo genetic testing.

According to a court petition submitted earlier this year, the two are related to Prince because the three men have the same mother — Mattie Shaw.

Prince was found dead April 21 from an accidental overdose of the painkiller fentanyl in an elevator at his Paisley Park complex in Chanhassen.

No will has been found in the three months since, meaning Minnesota law will determine which of the many claimants will be in line to collect.

Barring any appeals from those who have been dismissed as possible heirs, the case will continue to move forward once the genetic testing is completed, said attorney Frank K. Wheaton, who represents Alfred Jackson.

“I’m thrilled for Alfred, because this evaporates any uncertainties whether Alfred” is one of the intended beneficiaries of Prince’s estate, Wheaton said.

A unique, complex case

Eide’s ruling Friday follows a hearing last month where more than 20 attorneys representing potential heirs showed up at the Carver County Courthouse in Chaska to debate how Minnesota’s probate laws interact with laws for determining parentage.

At that time, Eide said he and the lawyers were struggling to understand the complexities of how the laws might affect the case. The last time the appellate courts weighed in on the laws was in 2006. But legislative revisions in 2010 leave the matter open to challenges.

“This case is perhaps unique in the state of Minnesota,” Eide said then. “In many ways, we are in unchartered water here …

“I want to do it right, because it’s important to a lot of people,” he added.

Prince has no known surviving children or parents who would be first and second in line as heirs under Minnesota law.

Next in line would be his surviving siblings, and the progeny of any deceased siblings.

That allowed the judge to dismiss the claims of 13 people who claimed to be distant relatives.

Eide’s ruling also seemed to dismiss other claims that appeared to have little substance.

Two people claimed that their mothers had a sexual relationship with Prince.

Those claims were based on “speculation or third-party conjecture,” the judge said in his ruling.

One claimant said his mother told him at age 28 that his father “was very smart and intelligent” and that at his grandmother’s funeral, his mother’s best friend told him that his name was “French for Young Prince” and that “Mr. Nelson was the reason.”

As part of Friday’s ruling, Eide said documents submitted by those claiming to be Prince’s offspring would be unsealed within 20 days.

Staff writers Dan Browning and Emma Nelson contributed to this report.


Pour les non anglophones, il y a la traduction de l'article sur FranceTVInfo :

Les demandes de 29 prétendants à l'héritage de Prince rejetées
Par Culturebox (avec AFP) @Culturebox
Publié le 30/07/2016 à 11H44

Un juge a rejeté les demandes de 29 personnes qui affirmaient être les héritiers de Prince et souhaitaient une part de l'immense fortune qu'il a laissée, mais deux autres candidates vont pouvoir se soumettre à des tests génétiques pour prouver éventuellement leur lien avec le chanteur américain.
Selon des documents de justice rendus publics vendredi, le juge Kevin Eide, basé dans le Minnesota (nord), a estimé jeudi que les demandeurs n'avaient pas produit assez de preuves à l'appui de leurs demandes.

Cinq de ces demandeurs affirmaient être les enfants de Prince. Comme le chanteur n'a pas laissé de descendant connu, ni de testament, cela aurait pu leur permettre d'hériter seuls des plus de 300 millions de dollars laissés par Prince, décédé subitement le 21 avril à 57 ans d'une overdose de médicaments.

Le chanteur a eu un fils en 1996 avec sa première femme, la danseuse Mayte Garcia, mais le bébé est décédé quelques jours après sa naissance. Il n'a pas eu d'enfant avec sa seconde épouse, Manuela Testolini.
Des tests génétiques ordonnés pour deux héritières potentielles
L'un des candidats à l'héritage affirmait que sa mère avait eu une relation en 1976 avec l'icône de la pop, mais le juge a noté que sa demande était nulle car il avait été légalement adopté par une autre famille.

Le juge a toutefois ordonné des tests génétiques pour vérifier les dires de deux autres héritières potentielles. La première est Brianna Nelson, qui affirme être la fille d'un des demi-frères de Prince, Duane Nelson, un temps en charge de la sécurité du chanteur et décédé en 2011.

L'autre est Victoria Nelson, 11 ans, qui serait la fille du fils de Duane Nelson, lui aussi décédé.
Les frères et sœur de Prince ont nommé un administrateur
Pour l'heure, les héritiers immédiats de Prince sont sa soeur Tyka Nelson et cinq demi-frères. Tous se sont mis d'accord après le décès du chanteur pour nommer un administrateur professionnel afin de gérer la succession.

Parmi les demandes farfelues rejetées par le juge Eide, celle de Claire Boyd : elle affirme que la CIA a étouffé son mariage avec Prince à Las Vegas.


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Messagepar manu3121 » 31 Juillet 2016, 08:40

Et ceux qui sont déboutés ils sont condamnés à qq chose quand même ?

Je veux dire, aux USA tu peux faire perdre le temps d'un juge, des généticiens etc etc façon "fête du slip" ou quand tu joues aux charognards tu prends quand même le risque d'être condamnés ensuite ?
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C'est une bonne question.
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Messagepar manu3121 » 02 Août 2016, 19:31

Il me semble avoir lu un truc sur la mise en vente de PP.... Si c est vrai, les ayants droits n auront pas perdu de temps et ce sera bien triste...

Édit: impossible de retrouver ce que j avais lu donc c est peut être bidon. Un amalgame avec ses autres baraques à vendre. J espère en tout cas.

Si qq un a des infos...
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Messagepar SweetieD » 04 Août 2016, 10:04

manu3121 a écrit:Et ceux qui sont déboutés ils sont condamnés à qq chose quand même ?

Je veux dire, aux USA tu peux faire perdre le temps d'un juge, des généticiens etc etc façon "fête du slip" ou quand tu joues aux charognards tu prends quand même le risque d'être condamnés ensuite ?


condamnés peut-être pas mais les frais de procédures doivent sans doute demeurer à leur charge (ce qui ne doit pas forcément être évident à recouvrir :perv:)

Concernant PP, pour rappel la volonté initiale des proches était de préserver le lieu
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... firms.html
Espérons que cela demeure leur volonté aujourd'hui
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Messagepar F.M. » 15 Août 2016, 14:23

Six propriétés de Prince vont être vendues, dont une dans les Îles Turques-et-Caïques, à partir du 26 août prochain. Il semblerait qu'Alfred Jackson, le demi-frère de Prince, ait joué un rôle dans cette opération...Quelle est sa place exacte dans la succession :perplex: ?
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Messagepar slimongi » 17 Août 2016, 14:37

Barrington Hills lawyer helping handle Prince's estate

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160816/news/160819355/

Barrington Hills resident Andrew Stoltmann has been a Prince fan longer than he's been a lawyer.

But in 17 years of practice he never had a connection to the musician and singer until now, when he finds himself holding onto some of Prince's gold and platinum records as he works to help settle an estate valued at about $300 million.


In early May, about two weeks after Prince died, Stoltmann was asked to represent Prince's niece in the estate case. Stoltmann, who has offices in Barrington and Chicago, accepted and became the lead counsel for Brianna Nelson, 31, of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. She spent much of her childhood at Prince's Paisley Park mansion because her deceased father, Duane Nelson Sr., was Prince's half-brother and the head of Prince's security team, Stoltmann said.

"Sorting through the alleged heirs has been a daunting task since literally some 400 people have claimed to be related, with 99 percent of these people actually being not related," said Stoltmann, 44. A Minnesota judge has ordered DNA testing to determine rightful heirs.

Stoltmann has been doing primarily investment cases since 1999. His clients have included professional athletes from the NBA, NFL, MLB and the PGA as well as some Hollywood actors. The only one he can mention is former Chicago Bull Horace Grant, who won a $1.46 million award against a brokerage firm about four years ago. Many other cases are settled with strict confidentiality clauses, so client names cannot be disclosed, he said.

Andrew Stoltmann holds a gold record for Prince's "Graffiti Bridge" at his home in Barrington Hills. Stoltmann is representing a client in Prince's estate case.

Andrew Stoltmann holds a gold record for Prince's "Graffiti Bridge" at his home in Barrington Hills. Stoltmann is representing a client in Prince's estate case. - Bob Chwedyk | Staff Photographer

But this is the first case he's had involving a musician of Prince's caliber. Prince, whose real name was Prince Rogers Nelson, died at age 57 on April 21 at his Paisley Park mansion in Chanhassen, Minnesota. His massive musical catalog includes "Purple Rain," "Little Red Corvette," "Let's Go Crazy" and "When Doves Cry."

Since May, Stoltmann has traveled from Chicago to Minnesota numerous times for court-related matters in the case.

Then, on Aug. 3, he had a chance to tour Prince's mansion.

Prince's personal items were still there, including his drum sets, pianos and other musical instruments. Besides the home, the property includes a 25,000-square-foot concert hall, where Prince would practice his stage show and sometimes perform on short notice.

"It was simply amazing," said Stoltmann. "It is a 55,000-square-foot home that is exactly what you would expect a home of a rock star of his magnitude to be like. Sitting in his studio where many of his biggest hits were recorded was almost surreal. Seeing his instruments that he used to create some of the biggest hits in the last 30 years was really cool. I really enjoyed seeing his Oscar for 'Purple Rain' and his Grammys."

Because Prince died without a will, the distribution of his estate is determined by Minnesota law. Without known children or surviving parents or spouse of the deceased, the estate then goes to the brothers and sisters or half brothers and half sisters or their heirs.

The same type of issues that popped up with the estates for Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley have arisen in Prince's case. They involve valuations of unreleased music and memorial concerts, he said.

In fact, Stoltmann is providing input on a Prince memorial concert scheduled for Oct. 13 at the U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis.

Joanna Sunderland, a Chicago resident and lawyer, had referred Stoltmann to Brianna Nelson after working with Stoltmann on a couple of cases years ago.

"Andrew has a rare and wonderful combination of being super intelligent, a good writer, and a great person," Sunderland said. "I knew he would be the person to handle this."

Andrew Stoltmann, who is representing Prince's niece in the musician's estate settlement, holds a platinum record for "Sign 'O' The Times" at his home in Barrington Hills.

Andrew Stoltmann, who is representing Prince's niece in the musician's estate settlement, holds a platinum record for "Sign 'O' The Times" at his home in Barrington Hills. - Bob Chwedyk | Staff Photographer

The Nelson family gave Stoltmann some of Prince's gold and platinum records in appreciation for him handling the case. He told them he would hold them until they ask for them back.

The gold and platinum records, given by the Recording Industry Association of America, represent huge album sales. Though not actually gold, they sell for thousands of dollars to collectors.

Andrew Stoltmann, who is representing Prince's niece in the musician's estate settlement, has a gold record for Prince's "Lovesexy" at his home in Barrington Hills.

Andrew Stoltmann, who is representing Prince's niece in the musician's estate settlement, has a gold record for Prince's "Lovesexy" at his home in Barrington Hills. - Bob Chwedyk | Staff Photographer

The gold and platinum records likely will be used as evidence in the case on behalf of his client. They help show the close relationship Prince had with Brianna, as well as with her dad, Duane, which is an important issue in this case, Stoltmann said.

They are being kept in a locked vault. The gold and platinum records are not part of the estate, since they were given by Prince to his half-brother and then passed to his client, Brianna Nelson. It is hard to estimate their value, Stoltmann said. It is also hard to estimate when the estate matters will be settled. The case is likely to last years, Stoltmann said.

"I really love a challenge," Stoltmann said. "It is a high-profile case involving one of the biggest musicians in the last 30 years on an estate that has been estimated to be worth about $300 million. I've been a massive Prince fan since I was a teenager, so getting brought in on it was really cool."

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Du nouveau du côté de la mise en vente du catalogue Musical de Prince et les projets envisagés !

Prince's Estate Weighs Deals With Publishers, PROs for Artist's Lucrative Catalog

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7487785/prince-estate-publishers-pros-labels-catalog-greatest-hits
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slimongi a écrit:Du nouveau du côté de la mise en vente du catalogue Musical de Prince et les projets envisagés !

Prince's Estate Weighs Deals With Publishers, PROs for Artist's Lucrative Catalog

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7487785/prince-estate-publishers-pros-labels-catalog-greatest-hits


En résumé, Sony, Warner et Universal vont se partager les droits, un best of à la fin de l'année, et aucune nouvelle musique pour nous avant longtemps.
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Victor761993 a écrit:
slimongi a écrit:Du nouveau du côté de la mise en vente du catalogue Musical de Prince et les projets envisagés !

Prince's Estate Weighs Deals With Publishers, PROs for Artist's Lucrative Catalog

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7487785/prince-estate-publishers-pros-labels-catalog-greatest-hits


En résumé, Sony, Warner et Universal vont se partager les droits, un best of à la fin de l'année, et aucune nouvelle musique pour nous avant longtemps.


Hum. ...peut être que mon Anglais est limité mais pour les questions de droit apparemment personne n'a emporté la mise à ce stade...?..Les discussions sont en cours même si je pense que Warner est le mieux placé. ....de toute façon on va en bouffer du Best of avant que quelque chose ne sorte d'intéressant pour nous et encore j'ai peur que l'on prenne la direction de la gestion merdique des inédits de MJ.....Les quelques albums finalisés et conçus par Prince encore dans le Vault ne verront probablement jamais le jour. ...voir pour exemple le Vault laissé par Zappa et que la famille n'arrive pas à gérer ! C'est bien triste tout ça !
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Messagepar topaz » 27 Août 2016, 09:09

(...) That's why the estate is probably looking at a new greatest hits package.

The benefits of doing so is that at least half the Prince albums sold so far this year have come from those types of compilations -- The Very Best of Prince, with 616,000 scanned; Ultimate, with 126,000 scanned; The Hits/B-Sides, with 122,000 scanned; The Hits, with 16,000; and The Hits 2, with 14,000 units. While it shows that his fans still have an appetite for compilations, some may say issuing yet another best-of collection could be one too many.
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Messagepar SIGNO'THETOM » 28 Août 2016, 11:25

slimongi a écrit:
Victor761993 a écrit:
slimongi a écrit:Du nouveau du côté de la mise en vente du catalogue Musical de Prince et les projets envisagés !

Prince's Estate Weighs Deals With Publishers, PROs for Artist's Lucrative Catalog

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7487785/prince-estate-publishers-pros-labels-catalog-greatest-hits


En résumé, Sony, Warner et Universal vont se partager les droits, un best of à la fin de l'année, et aucune nouvelle musique pour nous avant longtemps.


Hum. ...peut être que mon Anglais est limité mais pour les questions de droit apparemment personne n'a emporté la mise à ce stade...?..Les discussions sont en cours même si je pense que Warner est le mieux placé. ....de toute façon on va en bouffer du Best of avant que quelque chose ne sorte d'intéressant pour nous et encore j'ai peur que l'on prenne la direction de la gestion merdique des inédits de MJ.....Les quelques albums finalisés et conçus par Prince encore dans le Vault ne verront probablement jamais le jour. ...voir pour exemple le Vault laissé par Zappa et que la famille n'arrive pas à gérer ! C'est bien triste tout ça !


Oui ... L'article évoque aussi la possibilité de glisser un ou deux inédits dans cette ou ces futurs Best Of ... Mais je ne m'attend pas à des miracles !
Le but est de sortir des compilations bien plus complète que celle déjà existantes dans le commerce... j'imagine qui couvre une période plus large puisque la dernière compil date de 2006 mais avec des morceaux de 92 pour les plus récents. Billboard prédit surtout que c'est peu probable que cette future sortie est lieu cette année au vu des négociations... donc il faudra sans doute attendre 2017 pour voir l'annonce de quelque chose.

Le seul espoir pour certains fans : la réédition d'albums plus dispos dans le commerce... Des remasters ?

Pour ma part je vais réécouter la centaine d'inédits que l'on collecte depuis des années et me faire mes propres compils !
On peut quand même penser que, quand à la gestion des inédits, ils n'en sont pas encore à ce stade là dans la succession de Prince ... Pour l'instant ils réglent déjà la question des droits de distribution ! Ça avance pas si mal au final ! Donc, pour les inédits du Vault : il est un peu tôt pour être fixé selon moi ! :lovesign:
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Messagepar Patchouli » 28 Octobre 2016, 07:49

Deux prétendues héritières de Prince déboutées:

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ar ... tune.shtml
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Messagepar Bambou54 » 02 Novembre 2016, 09:53

Une interview de Brianna Nelson dans Star Tribune :

C.J.: Paisley Park was like summer camp at uncle Prince's for Brianna Nelson

http://www.startribune.com/c-j-paisley-park-was-like-summer-camp-at-uncle-prince-s-for-brianna-nelson/399574681/
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Messagepar topaz » 02 Novembre 2016, 09:59

Patchouli a écrit:Deux prétendues héritières de Prince déboutées:

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ar ... tune.shtml

Brianna et Victoria Nelson se disaient descendantes de feu Duane Nelson père, qui, disent-elles, était le demi-frère de Prince. Des documents de la cour indiquent cependant que le père de Prince n'était pas le père biologique de Duane Nelson.

Les prétendues héritières croyaient avoir malgré tout droit à une part d'héritage, parce que le père de Prince, John L. Nelson, a longtemps traité Duane Nelson comme s'il était son fils.
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Messagepar topaz » 25 Novembre 2016, 10:25

Sheila E amère sur la gestion de l'héritage par la soeur..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... cerns.html
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Messagepar Patchouli » 07 Décembre 2016, 17:19

Encore une frappadingue!
En plus, quand on la voit (sans vouloir être méchante bien évidemment), on se dit que c'est tout à fait le genre de femme que Prince aurait épousé!
Il semblerait qu'elle soit déjà connue pour d'autres faits...

http://www.jazzradio.fr/news/musique/32 ... succession
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Messagepar Greghost » 07 Décembre 2016, 18:11

Patchouli a écrit:Encore une frappadingue!
En plus, quand on la voit (sans vouloir être méchante bien évidemment), on se dit que c'est tout à fait le genre de femme que Prince aurait épousé!
Il semblerait qu'elle soit déjà connue pour d'autres faits...

http://www.jazzradio.fr/news/musique/32 ... succession

En 2002, il était marié avec Mani... donc pas possible.
Gregory looks just like a ghost...
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Messagepar JCO8 » 07 Décembre 2016, 20:18

Patchouli a écrit:Il semblerait qu'elle soit déjà connue pour d'autres faits...


Oui en 2009 elle était déjà la mère biologique des enfants de Michael Jackson. Elle en a vécu des choses...

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Messagepar Elvis Paisley » 08 Décembre 2016, 14:45

Bremer Trust s'apprête à passer la main pour la suite de l'administration de l'Estate, comme il en était convenu dès le début.

Le 2 janvier prochain, une autre banque d'affaires devrait être en charge de sa gestion.
Et on peut supposer que les représentants actuels de Bremer Trust, Londell McMillian et Michael Koppelman, seront également hors-jeu.

La décision est désormais entre les mains de Tyka Nelson et ses demi-frères et sœurs.

http://www.startribune.com/bremer-trust ... 405317636/
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Messagepar mountainair » 21 Décembre 2016, 21:28

Comerica Bank & Trust sont sur les rangs pour prendre le relais de Bremer Trust, et Van Jones a déposé une demande (épaulé par Tyka) pour devenir le Représentant Personnel de la succession.
https://twitter.com/serpan99/status/811609503854641154
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Messagepar Patchouli » 22 Décembre 2016, 16:48

Manuela Testolini a perdu son droit de garder les papiers de son divorce avec Prince secrets.
Ils seront donc rendus public le 13 janvier 2017.

http://www.closermag.fr/article/mort-de ... eur-692633
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Messagepar calhounsquare » 22 Décembre 2016, 17:31

Patchouli a écrit:Manuela Testolini a perdu son droit de garder les papiers de son divorce avec Prince secrets.
Ils seront donc rendus public le 13 janvier 2017.

http://www.closermag.fr/article/mort-de ... eur-692633


Je trouve curieux qu'elle ait tant cherché à dissimuler ces informations. Certes cela relève de la sphère privée, mais il doit y avoir des éléments financiers assez croustillants.
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Messagepar brian » 14 Janvier 2017, 13:15

Salut
J'ai lu rapidement quelques news relatives aux papiers secrets liés au divorce, mais c'était en anglais, quelqu'un saura-t-il récapituler ce qu'il en est? Merci
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brian a écrit:Salut
J'ai lu rapidement quelques news relatives aux papiers secrets liés au divorce, mais c'était en anglais, quelqu'un saura-t-il récapituler ce qu'il en est? Merci


Il n'y a vraiment rien de bien passionnant dedans. En résumé, ils avaient l'habitude d'organiser des soirées après les soirées de remises de prix qui coutaient jusqu'à 50000 $. Elle avait alors pour ces évènement un styliste et maquilleur personnel touchant 5000£ par jour. Ils avaient des compte ouverts chez Versace, Gucci, et Saks et ni lui ni elle ne regardaient à la dépense.
En Mai 2005 Prince a foutu Mani à la porte de leur maison de Galpin (il l'a enfermé dehors), il lui a également coupé ses cartes de crédit et a emballé ses affaires et les a enfermé dans le vault à PP, soit disant pour les mettre en lieu sûr.Puis P à fait démolir la maison.
Le divorce a été prononcé en octobre 2007, et 2 ans après Mani a relancé une procédure car P ne lui avait pas rendu certains de ses effets personnels incluant des vidéos faites pour des chansons qu'il avait composé pour elle "Gamillah" et "Another girl".Il y avait également toute une série de bijoux dont la valeur totale était de 185000$.
A cette époque P se représentait lui-même et n'avait pas répondu à la cour.

P. avait dit à Mani qu'il avait détruit les bandes des vidéos qu'elle réclamait, ce qu'elle a contesté disant qu'il ne détruisait jamais aucune vidéo et que s'il l'avait fait s'était de façon purement punitive.

Elle a reçu au moment du divroce la villa de Toronto d'une valeur de 6 millions de $, et une Lexus.
Au moment de la séparation elle a d'abord reçu 10 000£ par mois de la part de P. Et il a versé 3 millions sur un compte ouvert au nom d'une holding dont elle avait le contrôle.
Elle a ensuite réclamé durant la procédure 42 574$ par mois indiquant que cela correspondait à 2% des revenus mensuels de P, et qu'elle en avait besoin pour maintenir son train de vie ce qui incluait participer au soirée de remise de prix et organiser les soirées qui s'en suivaient.
Ce à quoi P. répondu: "C'est mon mode de vie normal. En remplissant la demande de divorce Mani a perdu son accès à ce mode de vie.... Ce n'est pas un niveau de vie marital que l'on peut recréer avec de l'argent".
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Messagepar Patchouli » 15 Janvier 2017, 08:41

Jay Z espère toujours obtenir les droits de la musique de Prince.

http://www.20minutes.fr/people/1994775- ... que-prince
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Messagepar soundpurple » 15 Janvier 2017, 16:08

mountainair a écrit:
brian a écrit:Salut
J'ai lu rapidement quelques news relatives aux papiers secrets liés au divorce, mais c'était en anglais, quelqu'un saura-t-il récapituler ce qu'il en est? Merci


Il n'y a vraiment rien de bien passionnant dedans. En résumé, ils avaient l'habitude d'organiser des soirées après les soirées de remises de prix qui coutaient jusqu'à 50000 $. Elle avait alors pour ces évènement un styliste et maquilleur personnel touchant 5000£ par jour. Ils avaient des compte ouverts chez Versace, Gucci, et Saks et ni lui ni elle ne regardaient à la dépense.
En Mai 2005 Prince a foutu Mani à la porte de leur maison de Galpin (il l'a enfermé dehors), il lui a également coupé ses cartes de crédit et a emballé ses affaires et les a enfermé dans le vault à PP, soit disant pour les mettre en lieu sûr.Puis P à fait démolir la maison.
Le divorce a été prononcé en octobre 2007, et 2 ans après Mani a relancé une procédure car P ne lui avait pas rendu certains de ses effets personnels incluant des vidéos faites pour des chansons qu'il avait composé pour elle "Gamillah" et "Another girl".Il y avait également toute une série de bijoux dont la valeur totale était de 185000$.

A cette époque P se représentait lui-même et n'avait pas répondu à la cour.

P. avait dit à Mani qu'il avait détruit les bandes des vidéos qu'elle réclamait, ce qu'elle a contesté disant qu'il ne détruisait jamais aucune vidéo et que s'il l'avait fait s'était de façon purement punitive.

Elle a reçu au moment du divroce la villa de Toronto d'une valeur de 6 millions de $, et une Lexus.
Au moment de la séparation elle a d'abord reçu 10 000£ par mois de la part de P. Et il a versé 3 millions sur un compte ouvert au nom d'une holding dont elle avait le contrôle.
Elle a ensuite réclamé durant la procédure 42 574$ par mois indiquant que cela correspondait à 2% des revenus mensuels de P, et qu'elle en avait besoin pour maintenir son train de vie ce qui incluait participer au soirée de remise de prix et organiser les soirées qui s'en suivaient.
Ce à quoi P. répondu: "C'est mon mode de vie normal. En remplissant la demande de divorce Mani a perdu son accès à ce mode de vie.... Ce n'est pas un niveau de vie marital que l'on peut recréer avec de l'argent".


Merci à toi pour ce résumé :super: :super:
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Messagepar PrinceFrance » 26 Janvier 2017, 14:44

http://www.musicweek.com/talent/read/pr ... ust/067259

Prince's estate to be overseen by Comerica Bank and Trust
by Daniel Gumble
January 25th 2017 at 12:18PM
Prince's estate to be overseen by Comerica Bank and Trust
Prince’s estate is to be overseen by Comercia Bank and Trust, a Minneapolis judge has ruled.

The appointment follows a court hearing last week to decide who will act as permanent administrator to the Prince estate, which is reported to be worth around $200 million.

In a court order, Carver County District Judge Kevin Eide ruled that Comerica will be named corporate personal representative of the estate, replacing temporary administrator Bremer Trust. Comercia will assume its duties from February 1.

The judge also ruled against the appointment of a ‘co-personal representative’ – an intermediary between Prince’s siblings (the likely heirs) and Comercia.

Entertainment lawyer L. Londell McMillan and CNN commentator Anthony ‘Van’ Jones had both requested to serve in the role. However, Edie denied both request as the siblings were said to be fiercely divided on who should be appointed.

“The heirs are all strong advocates of their positions on how the estate should be managed, and adding another divisive element will cause additional expense and delay in these proceedings,” he wrote.

Earlier this month, Irving Azoff's Global Music Rights (GMR) signed a worldwide deal to represent Prince's catalogue. Prince left ASCAP in 2014, seeking an alternative to traditional public performance licensing practices and his Estate, represented by Bremer Trust, their music industry advisors, Charles Koppelman and Londell McMillan, and attorney Jason Boyarski, concluded that GMR’s philosophy was most consistent with Prince’s values.

In November 2016, Universal Music Publishing Group was selected as worldwide publisher for Prince’s catalogue of songs. The agreement with the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson will see UMPG take responsibility for servicing and administering Prince’s catalogue, working closely with Prince’s estate to find new outlets for his music.

UMPG previously served as Prince’s publisher from 2001 to 2014.
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Messagepar COCO » 26 Janvier 2017, 18:12

bonjour,
pourriez vous m'aider a retrouver le listing de l'inventaire complet des biens de PP ?
Je l'avais vu défiler il y a quelque temps ..
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Messagepar slimongi » 29 Mars 2017, 09:18

https://www.wsj.com/articles/auctions-for-princes-music-rights-had-some-bidders-feeling-left-out-1490693407

PS>Bon apparement la gestion du Vault est 1 ENORME FOUTOIR malgré les deals annoncés avec UNIVERSAL et WB...la Vault n'a pas l'air d'avoir été inventorié même en partie de façon sérieuse...on est quasiment à de 2 mois de la sortie DELUXE de Purple Rain et aucune tracklist confirmé ou décision finale du projet ^par la WB a été annoncé....j'ai bien peur que rien ne sorte d'ici le 9 juin et même après.... :perplex: :perplex: :perplex: :perplex: :siffle:
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Messagepar Elvis Paisley » 29 Mars 2017, 10:46

slimongi a écrit:https://www.wsj.com/articles/auctions-for-princes-music-rights-had-some-bidders-feeling-left-out-1490693407

PS>Bon apparement la gestion du Vault est 1 ENORME FOUTOIR malgré les deals annoncés avec UNIVERSAL et WB...la Vault n'a pas l'air d'avoir été inventorié même en partie de façon sérieuse...on est quasiment à de 2 mois de la sortie DELUXE de Purple Rain et aucune tracklist confirmé ou décision finale du projet ^par la WB a été annoncé....j'ai bien peur que rien ne sorte d'ici le 9 juin et même après.... :perplex: :perplex: :perplex: :perplex: :siffle:



Bah oui dépenser des millions de dollars pour ne pas viser de retour sur investissement et décider finalement de ne rien sortir, on sait tous que c'est le fonctionnement philanthropique des maisons de disques par excellence...

Courage Slim, encore un peu plus de deux mois à tenir !

:mrgreen:
Sim Theury is my hero ! (Mais faut dire que des fois il déconne grave...)
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Re: [INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar sulimane » 29 Mars 2017, 12:36

César du sapeur de moral de fond est attribué a slimongi qui publie une info et son contraire laisse nous espérer d' autant plus qu il y a du potentiel de vente a ce niveau pour la Warner OU Universal et espérerons un meilleur travail que sur l' oeuvre posthume de Michael Jackson....
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Re: [INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar topaz » 06 Avril 2017, 07:18

slimongi a écrit:https://www.wsj.com/articles/auctions-for-princes-music-rights-had-some-bidders-feeling-left-out-1490693407

PS>Bon apparement la gestion du Vault est 1 ENORME FOUTOIR malgré les deals annoncés avec UNIVERSAL et WB...la Vault n'a pas l'air d'avoir été inventorié même en partie de façon sérieuse...on est quasiment à de 2 mois de la sortie DELUXE de Purple Rain et aucune tracklist confirmé ou décision finale du projet ^par la WB a été annoncé....j'ai bien peur que rien ne sorte d'ici le 9 juin et même après.... :perplex: :perplex: :perplex: :perplex: :siffle:

Je sais qu'avec des "y'a qu'à" tout est facile mais il me semble que c'est pas la mer à boire d'embaucher deux personnes compétentes dont une connaissant grosso modo l'oeuvre de P pour inventorier ses archives et les classer par époque catégorie inédits, live, version inédite, remix , video.. non? On sait qui fait le job?
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Re: [INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar PRINCE4EVER » 06 Avril 2017, 19:05

Je pense que Raphy serait l'homme de la situation ;)
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Re: [INFOS uniquement] Succession de Prince

Messagepar raphy » 07 Avril 2017, 10:52

PRINCE4EVER a écrit:Je pense que Raphy serait l'homme de la situation ;)



ah ah ah
si seulement

je connais quelques autres personnes tres douées en classement aussi :)
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